Via: UK.AC.EARN-RELAY; 13 OCT 89 17:53:34 GMT Received: from UKACRL by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2840; Fri, 13 Oct 89 17:53:50 BS Received: from CEARN.cern.ch by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3213; Fri, 13 Oct 89 17:53:47 B Received: by CEARN (Mailer R2.03B) id 4123; Fri, 13 Oct 89 17:01:52 GVA Date: Tue, 10 Oct 89 17:52:12 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@EDU.STANFORD.SCORE Sender: INFO-ATARI16 Discussion Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was Info-Atari16-request@SCORE.STANFORD.E Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was INFO-A16@MARIST From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V89 #482 Info-Atari16 Digest Tuesday, October 10, 1989 Volume 89 : Issue 482 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: TOS 1.4 bug? Re: Dumas encoding (was Re: SAME OLD SAME OLD VOLUME 2) Re: TT announcement Re: Graphics file formats on new machines Re: Dumas encoding (was Re: SAME OLD SAME OLD VOLUME 2) Sozobon C Compiler - latest version? Re: Memory chips and assorted data books Re: help FTP sites gnu awk questions Re: TOS 1.4 problems, EX-problems Part Two Re: Atari blows it again Re: TOS 1.4 problems, EX-problems!! Re: Word Perfect 4.1 bug ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 SEP 89 09:53:56 CST From: Z4648252 To: SUB Larry Rymal Larry Rymal: |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 19:17:35 GMT From: cwjcc!dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu@gatech.edu (Jwahar R. Bammi) Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 bug? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <22217@cup.portal.com>, Xorg@cup (Peter Ted Szymonik) writes: >My experience has shown that the first thing to do after getting TOS 1.4 >installed is REFORMAT the HD. My system was exteremely flaky after the >upgrade until I reformatted - that should take care of ALL file not found >errors. This is **NOT** true at all. I have gone though 3 generations of Tos 1.4 releases (developers disk based Tos 1.4, the ?feb eprom one, and now the real one) without re-formatting anything. heck one of the drives i am still using was formatted pre-mega-tos, and still has'nt given me a single problem. -- bang: ?any internet host?!dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu!bammi jwahar r. bammi domain: bammi@dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu GEnie: J.Bammi ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 19:36:05 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!dogie.macc.wisc.edu!vms.macc.wisc.edu@ucsd.edu (Neil Gilmore) Subject: Re: Dumas encoding (was Re: SAME OLD SAME OLD VOLUME 2) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <17281@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, jlemon@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Jonathan Lemon) writes... >In article <2420@dogie.macc.wisc.edu> gilmore@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Neil Gilmore) writes: (What I do, What he do deleted) What's UN*X? I am on a VAX w/VMS. The preblem with ARC'ed filed is as you describe... the terminal usually locks up. I do have Xmodem, but I don't think the system does. As far as I can tell, when I call from home, the VAX thinks I'm just another terminal. >-- >Jonathan ...ucbvax!cory!jlemon or jlemon@cory.Berkeley.EDU +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kitakaze Tatsu Raito Neil Gilmore internet:gilmore@macc.wisc.edu | | Jararvellir, MACC, UW-Madison bitnet: gilmore@wiscmac3 | | Middle Kingdom Madison, Wi | ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 21:15:25 GMT From: microsoft!w-darekm@uunet.uu.net (Darek Mihocka) Subject: Re: TT announcement To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <1695@atari.UUCP> kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) writes: >gl8f@astsun7.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes: > >| 3. Plug in blitter and ROMS. Note the small speed increase, since you're >| running TurboST or QuickST already... > > I beg to differ here, Greg. TurboST 1.6 runs _much_ faster on a machine >with a blitter than one without. Least it seems that way to me. > >-- > ||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad) > ||| Atari R&D System Software Engine > / | \ #include I beg to differ with _your_ observations Ken. My observations using a Mega ST with TOS 1.2 and 1.4 with and without the blitter, with and without different software accelerators. I don't disagree that Turbo ST runs faster with the blitter chip, since it checks for and uses the blitter, but the speed increases are far from being "_much_ faster". I'd use that term to apply to the speed increase obtained by using Turbo ST alone, and the term "_slightly_ faster" to describe the additional speed increase that the blitter gives you. Hope you're not trying to sell us some vaporware blitter chips . Someone else did mention that "your mileage will vary" but you have yet you convince me that the blitter chip can significantly outperform tightly coded assembler code in real life situations (not rigged Comdex demos). Why not just apply some of the same types of optimizations that Turbo ST uses in the next version of TOS? I'm sure there were better things to do with time and code than putting rainbows into the desktop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Darek Mihocka ST Xformer II CIS: (out of order) Box 2624, Station B Quick Utilities GEnie: DAREKM Kitchener, Ontario MegaBlit SSG SPX DELPHI: DAREKM N2H 6N2 Shareware, not Vaporware BIX: darekm Canada Blitter chip sucks! CheapNet: ...!uw-beaver!microsoft!w-darekm (519)-747-0386 A mind is a terrible thing to waste, so JUST SAY NO TO TOS. Opinions expressed are my own and not those of anyone not named Darek Mihocka. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 21:25:32 GMT From: microsoft!w-darekm@uunet.uu.net (Darek Mihocka) Subject: Re: Graphics file formats on new machines To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <3104@brahma.cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes: > >There IS provision in the Neochrome header for different screen sizes although >in current versions of the program it is not used. > >I personally like the Neochrome format and although it only supports low rez >just now the first long in the header is the rez. I wasn't aware that Neochrome supports variable resolutions. Somebody actually thought ahead was back in 1985? :-) I have also received some email about the IMG format also supporting variable resolution. The question still remains, what format will Atari and/or developers decide to make the standard on the new machines (and Hyperscreen modified STs)? Or will this be a wait and see situation? And how with the Getrez() function work on the new machines? > >Nope. Degas Elite uses bit 15 in the rez word to signify a compressed image >.PCx. > ok, then, make it bit 14. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Darek Mihocka ST Xformer II CIS: (out of order) Box 2624, Station B Quick Utilities GEnie: DAREKM Kitchener, Ontario MegaBlit SSG SPX DELPHI: DAREKM N2H 6N2 Shareware, not Vaporware BIX: darekm Canada Blitter chip sucks! CheapNet: ...!uw-beaver!microsoft!w-darekm (519)-747-0386 A mind is a terrible thing to waste, so JUST SAY NO TO TOS. Opinions expressed are my own and not those of anyone not named Darek Mihocka. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 20:16:13 GMT From: dartvax!eleazar.dartmouth.edu!dav@decvax.dec.com (William David Haas) Subject: Re: Dumas encoding (was Re: SAME OLD SAME OLD VOLUME 2) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <17281@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> jlemon@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Jonathan Lemon) writes: >In article <2420@dogie.macc.wisc.edu> gilmore@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Neil Gilmore) writes: > various tranfer techniques deleted > >Much simpler. Actually, what I do is: 1) On my UNIX workstation at work I put all the uuencoded parts in a single file of mailbox format 2) uud the file 3) doswrite the file using the 3.5 floppy drive on my UNIX box 4) Take it home an copy it my atari See... the IBM 6152 does has a useful feature after.... course, a Sun 386i would also work Sorry, couldn't help gloating (-; Being a block away from work helps too. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 18:15:05 GMT From: voder!thoreau!desyoung@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Des Young) Subject: Sozobon C Compiler - latest version? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Hello, I am trying to port MINIX to a 68K coprocessor card (homebrew) that plugs into a PC. Hmm. I would like to use the Sozobon compiler. So, some questions: 1. What is the latest version of the compiler suite? 2. Where/who do I contact to obtain it? 3. Has it been ported to a UNIX-like system? Sorry for posting to the group, I guess I just need a pointer to someone in the know. I tried Dale Schumaker, but my mail did not get through (Our site has had some upheaval recently). Many thanks in advance, Des Young. Des Young. des@dtg.nsc.com, or des@logic.nsc.com National Semiconductor, Santa Clara, CA. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 14:05:36 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!acorn!moncam!emmo@uunet.uu.net (Dave Emmerson) Subject: Re: Memory chips and assorted data books To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Apologies for posting this here, direct replies bounced. Sorry, you're too late for any of the DILs, just 20 of the zigzags and a few data books left. Seems most people thought they'd be too late if they weren't in the UK, but half the free ones are going to Sweden. Nothing ventured, nothing gained... Dave E. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 00:56:37 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a390@uunet.uu.net (Rick Carrillo) Subject: Re: help To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I'm here and I am a happy Atari ST owner.... ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 89 05:42:47 GMT From: mf2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Douglas Fischer) Subject: FTP sites To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Where can I go to get ST programs via Anonymous FTP? I know of millions of systems where I can FTP Amiga software, but I'm looking for some ST programs for a friend. Please e-mail replies to MFISCHER@SBCCVM.BITNET or MFISCHER@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU. Thanks! --Mike ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 89 02:43:38 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watmath!watdragon!tiger!ach owe@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (anthony howe) Subject: gnu awk questions To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I finally tried to use the last version of << GNU AWK >> that came down the pike to do some global text search and delete (since FOLDED 0.9e lacks the ability to search and replace control codes). I quickly review what I needed in the book << The AWK Programming Language >> and tried the following: ? gsub( /_\b/, "" ); print ? This was meant to globally search and delete all undersorce-backspace combinations (I'm stripping a formatted file of cude underlining and other code that mess up my printer). However AWK keeps giving me an "error near line 1" and quotes just about the whole line. What's wrong? I don't even know the diffs between << GNU AWK >> and the implementation described in the above book. There was no documentation. All I remember was a comment or a small readme that said I should get a copy of my UNIX version's man page. Was there any docs with << GNU AWK >> and if so are not my rights to it being abused by not providing it (as mentioned in every GNU COPYING & LICENSE notice)? - Ant achowe@tiger.waterloo.edu | "Life is not fair. Anyone who tells _ -|-|_ _ | you different is trying to sell you (_\ |\| | | | (_) |\| \/ | something." - The Princess Bride ___/ | disclaimer... ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 89 00:08:00 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@uunet.uu.net (Peter Ted Szymonik) Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 problems, EX-problems Part Two To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu exactly what the new TOS ROMs offered because he didn't get any docs! Peter Szymonik Xorg@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 89 00:13:00 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@uunet.uu.net (Peter Ted Szymonik) Subject: Re: Atari blows it again To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I think Atari has their hands more than full with the emminent releases of TOS 1.4, Portfolio, Lynx, STacy, and the TT! Perhaps their strategy with the Lynx is to let Nintendo corner the market again and then sue them for having a monopoly. Peter Szymonik Xorg@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 89 00:06:46 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Xorg@uunet.uu.net (Peter Ted Szymonik) Subject: Re: TOS 1.4 problems, EX-problems!! To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Well folks, after my two days of work and two days at the dealer my TOS 1.4 equipped Mega 2 is now running FLAWLESSLY. The HD needed to be rebooted and all my programs were restored from original floppies (not the HD back up which failed to work for some reason.) I also discovered that my bombs that were happening on the color monitor are *most likely* attributed to the game's copy protection - NOT the TOS ROMs because I've seen a few posts from people who had problems with the same two titles even under TOS 1.2. I give TOS 1.4 a big Thumbs Up and recommend it - the differences ARE noticable and pleasant - I just wish that I had a clue as to why my problems happened as they did. Another Strong Recommendation for Atari is to provide some documentation with the TOS 1.4 upgrade, not even my dealer knew ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 89 19:47:28 GMT From: cacilj!close@uunet.uu.net (Diane Barlow Close) Subject: Re: Word Perfect 4.1 bug To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <8909162233.AA17831@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> UUCJEFF@ECNCDC.BITNET (jeff beer) writes: >I have been having this problem with Word Perfect 4.1. I am working on >a file of about 70K, and it seems to have problems with the length. >Sometimes when I save it, it doesnt get save, and then inside the edit >buffer, the end of it gets mangled. Sometimes it gets truncated, other >times the last few pages get rewritten at the end. Well something went wrong with my first posting (only the .sig got out), so I'll try again: This is a known and documented bug having something to do with virtual files. It was discovered it many, many months ago. It has been reported to WordPerfect and it has been fixed IN THE LATEST VERSION. This bug only occurs in the 1988 version. But, if you report having problems with this bug, you will get the 1989 version sent to you FREE (otherwise you will have to pay WordPerfect $17.50 to ``upgrade'' to the 1989 version). -- Diane Barlow Close ?uunet, crash, ucsd?!cacilj!close close@cacilj.uucp Free Canada -- Trade Mulroney ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest **************************